[fc: Feb 2012] Here is an abridged version as a pdf. Note however that this version has inferior figures -- view the full versions here (i.e. click on the embedded figs here for the full show).
The Third Story - Renewable Base Supply
A commonly heard criticism is that "renewables can't do baseload" due to the intermittency in the wind and solar resources. Based on the data and analysis work OzEA has done over the last year, we show this criticism to be largely missing the point. While the cost and timeframe of a transition to 50% renewables presents many issues for exploration and reasoned argument, we here make the prima facie case that wind and solar can effectively displace existing fossil fuel energy supply.
This Third OzEA Story is a different sort of document to the papers, reports or blogs that readers may anticipate. The Open Science approach to public-interest science that we road-test has a special place for the "stories" that describe where thinking has developed to and set the scene for upcoming work. While seeking to minimise the technical load, we appreciate that for many this remains a somewhat technical read. Please note your questions and comments as you proceed, and if they are not resolved by the end (and many will not be), please consider joining the Open Discussion. Please note that here we are looking at a 50% scenario, perhaps by around 2040, and that OzEA will later this year specify the intermediate 20, 30 and 40% scenarios that together provide the basis of an evolutionary pathway.
Before handling the complexity of an electricity system with many thousands of kilometres of transmission lines, it is necessary to abstract and simplify to a solid core, upon which important layers of detail can be added back. In this Third Story we tell of this solid core, and of how renewable electricity can in time become the dominant source of supply in the Australian electricity system.
Introduction
Stripping away the spatial complexity of the transmission and distribution networks, and stripping away the workings of the electricity market in dispatching individual generators, what remains is the core requirement that supply and demand be arranged to match at all times. In the system we have now, most of the control exists on the supply side, and especially with gas turbines that can be ramped up and down as need be.
Onto this currently functioning system we seek to impose 50% renewables with (tentatively) 35% Wind and 15% Solar. These renewable electricity supply sources are intermittent, although Concentrating Solar Thermal (CST) can be built with thermal storage that provides some control (allowing, importantly, the solar energy captured during the day to be dispatched as electricity into the evening).
Figure One: Siting of simulated renewable plant. [click through for full pdf] Of the 11 solar sites for which we have data, six (Rockhampton, Wagga Wagga, Mildura, Alice Springs, Tennant Creek and Kalgoorlie) are used in what follows. In reality the NT sites are proxies for central QLD. There are 30 wind sites "from Broome to Cooktown", although here the sites north of Geraldton are not considered (and we also examine a no-WA case). In what follows we consider 2003 demand data for the National Electricity Market (NEM), which at that time included only QLD, NSW, VIC and SA.
Here we focus on how, with 50% Wind and Solar, the core requirement that supply meet demand can be upheld, and we do this simply in terms of the supply side configuration. That is, we ignore the demand management aspects. When it comes time to include some control on the demand side, this will further improve the situation for renewables.
A somewhat historical and semantic point will aid understanding. Historically, the sources of supply are matched conceptually to distinct load phases; that is, coal power running all the time accounts against a 'base-load', efficient but somewhat costly Combined Cycle Gas Turbines (CCGT) pairs with an 'intermediate-load', and cheaper but less efficient Open Cycle Gas Turbines (OCGT) operate as needed to provide further supply into the mix at times of high demand. Of course there is some Hydro and other aspects, but this conceptual pairing of three supply technologies with the three levels of load is key. The linguistic difficulty arises because 'supply' technologies have become conflated in language with 'loads'. For example, coal power is not a load, and thus not a base-load; rather it is a source of supply adding into the total supply. Simply by being careful with the language, correctly referring to load as load and supply as supply, can greatly aid clear thinking.
This story has words and pictures - each depending on the other. With the figures shown you click through to the pdf, and then use your pdf viewer to zoom in and pan around. The various 'ribbon plots' in particular provide a graphical view of the data and models, and you should spend a little time examining these, expanded to full screen and panning along the time base in each. Thus the story will unfold.
Note also the key terms 'demand remainder' and 'demand remainder profile'.
Imposing 50% wind and solar
For much of the last year OzEA has been working on the data and methods for simulating large-scale and widely distributed wind farms and CST plant. Recently this became sufficiently developed to allow a start on explicit 50% renewable scenarios, using wind speed and solar irradiance data at the sites shown in Figure One above. Constrained by the solar data in particular, we work for now with real-world wind speed and insolation data from the year 2003.
Starting with a naive model, based on placing large (very large) CST plant at six selected locations where we have data, and wind farms at thirty selected locations "from Broome to Cooktown", OzEA imposes 50% renewables into the supply mix as shown schematically in Figure Two. Ignoring (for now) the use of buffering mechanisms such as the Pumped Hydro Storage (PHS), the upper panel shows the demand being met solely by coal and gas powered generators, with the lower panel (naively) including 50% renewable supply, and showing the consequent changes in the fuelled supply requirements.
Figure Two: Supply meeting demand. [click through for the pdf] A. Demand in time showing the 'base', 'intermediate' and 'peaking' phases for no-renewables; B. The Demand Profile for Panel A (over the full year); C. Supply meeting demand for the naive 50% renewables scenario; D. The Demand Remainder Profile for Panel C (over the full year). The full-year versions of A. and C. are given in two parts: first half, and second half. Here the 'base' (dark grey) has been defined as the 97-100% of the time region (on the demand / remainder profile), and the 'peak' (red) as up to 20%. These cut-offs are simply selected for illustrative purposes.
While it may initially be surprising that the effect of the renewables is to displace the coal base-supply (Panel D), this in fact makes a lot of sense. One inflexible source of supply is being displaced by another, while the supply components that provide the control are maintained (and indeed expanded in this naive first attempt). It can always be possible to include a high penetration of renewables if there is also enough supply available from gas turbines to "fill the gaps" - and this is the real essence of the "renewables can't do base-load" criticism. To build a useful 50% renewable electricity scenario OzEA is working to understand how these gas requirements can be kept in check.
Comment on the naive 50% renewable scenario
It is striking that the neat appearance of the current matching between the demand and the fuelled sources of supply (Figure 2, top panels) changes into a somewhat messy or jagged mix when the renewables are included (lower panels). This is not as surprising or worrying as it may first seem. The current system has been built and refined over some fifty years, and thus contains much internal order. Conversely, this blunt imposition of 50% renewable supply has not been accompanied by changes to the way demand is structured and supply buffered. As the 50% scenario is refined, both here and in the months ahead, expect the fuelled supply trace to become smoother.
Panel D requires particular attention, observing especially that peak demand at ~28.5 GW has reduced in the Demand Remainder to only ~23 GW. That is, after the expense of 50% renewable infrastructure, the amount of fuelled supply infrastructure needed has been reduced by only ~20% (the so-called "capacity credit"). Such a low capacity credit is most unhelpful in seeking to make an economic case for renewables; however, as we will see shortly, it is not difficult to develop the scenario to achieve a much improved capacity credit.
Examining the full temporal view (i.e. full versions of Panels A and C as linked in the Figure legend), the night-time lows in the demand are close to identical night after night in traditional mode, thus enlarging the 'base' over the 'intermediate' phase. Mechanisms such as off-peak hot water, and the overnight 'charging' of PHS facilities, act to produce this neat situation. In contrast, the 50% renewable supply often meets much of the demand, thus enlarging the 'intermediate' supply phase over the 'base'. Of course, with 50% renewables, old and new demand shaping mechanisms will be focused on buffering the demand and supply dynamics into harmony.
Note also that while raw demand peaks in the afternoon or early evening, the demand remainder often peaks in the evening or early in the day (before the days solar energy catch provides supply). While these peaks will be managed with the storage mechanisms introduced next, it remains noteworthy that a systematic change has occurred in the timing of the peak requirement for fuelled supply.
An improved scenario
Part I. Applied storage mechanisms for buffering supply
To improve the renewable supply dynamics we first include two supply-side storage mechanisms:
Centralised Pumped Hydro Storage: The existing electricity system depends on ~20 GWh capacity of Pumped Hydro Storage (PHS), and here we tentatively increase this to 30 GWh for the first-pass 50% renewables scenario. Peak output is 4 GW (variable between 0-4), with charge-up occurring at (and only at) 1.5 GW for at least three hours. These constraints roughly enforce engineering realities. See this comment for more detail. See the second ribbon of Figure Three for an example of the peak shaving produced by this PHS model.
Thermal storage within the CST farms: observe that the CST supply often counters the peak demand during the day, but leaves a demand peak in the early evening. As thermal storage is part of the promise of CST, we include a simple and modest thermal storage model into the simulated CST plants. We suppose the CST plants have 6 hr of thermal storage, and can use this to regulate output over the course of the day -- until 6 hours after the last solar input [see this comment, and linked worksheet, for details]. This buffering of the solar energy, and the consequent smoothing of the Demand Remainder, is shown in the third ribbon of Figure Three.
Figure Three: Storage Mechanisms: [click through for full pdf] Top Ribbon: the naive scenario (as in Fig 2.) showing demand in time, the CST and wind supply traces, the demand remainder, and a nominal breakdown of the fuelled supply requirement into base, intermediate and peaking components; Second Ribbon: application of the centralised PHS storage model (described above); Third Ribbon: application of the CST storage model (described above); Bottom Ribbon: application of both storage models concurrently. Note that the time base has been restricted to the April-September half of the year (which is the interesting part) in order to present a single ribbon rather than two halves.
The supply-buffering provided by the CST thermal storage (Fig. 3; Ribbon 3) acts to substantially smooth the demand remainder, and thus contribute to our aims. The PHS model is seen to work well at peak shaving when applied alone (Fig. 3; Ribbon 2), but not so well in combination with the CST storage (Ribbon 4) as the OzEA heuristic for implementing the PHS struggles with a less up-and-down trace to work on.
Part II. Annealing site capacities to tune the renewable supply
Some influence can be had on the renewable supply, and thus the demand remainder dynamics, through the choice of renewable plant location and size. As in Figure One, we are limited by the data as to the locations considered, but within these can shift capacity around in order to search for better dynamics. OzEA has implemented a simulated annealing approach to do this (detailed here and here). Note that no particular optimality is claimed; the procedure simply gives answers that improve in the direction required.
Seeking to reduce both the peak value of the demand-remainder and its variance, Figure Four shows an example (lower ribbon) of a scenario produced by an annealing run - that has the demand-remainder peaking at 15.5 GW (compared to 17.1 GW for the naive case). Note that the annealing runs do not 'converge' on a unique solution, but rather produce one or another interrelated patterns of site capacities. As chance relationships between peak demand times and output from the simulated renewable plant can drive some selections, it will be interesting to see which sites are consistently scaled up / down when we proceed with analysis of the 2004 and 2005 data.
Figure Four: An example of a refined 50% renewables scenario. [click through for full pdf] Top Ribbon: reference, being a repeat of final ribbon from Fig. 3; Bottom Ribbon: renewable supply dynamics for a 50% renewable scenario where the capacities of the renewable plant have been chosen to produce improved dynamics in having the renewable supply match with the historical demand.
It is of interest to consider the exclusion of the WA sites, and we find the demand remainder peak is increased by only a couple hundred MW. Of course this 'result' is based on a high-level analysis incorporating only the current OzEA selection of simulated plant, for 2003 data, and using the storage mechanisms described. It may yet be determined that a transmission link to WA is desirable; however, for now we note that WA inclusion does not appear critical to the prospects of integrating 50% renewables into the NEM.
Winding back the abstractions and simplifications
The overall and simplified view of renewable and fuelled supply combining to meet demand, with the aid of some storage, is the core concept. It allows us to understand the implications of the intermittency of the wind and solar resources. In time the focus needs to become one of cost and timelines; for now the focus remains on the intermittency and developing the current analysis.
The simplification of looking just at 2003 needs to be unwound, and OzEA has 2004 and 2005 data in hand, albeit with the continuing issue of sparse solar data. The plan is to step forward a year at a time, taking stock each time of the new aspects and issues that arise.
The abstraction of ignoring the transmission will be unwound also, at least in part, by considering each NEM state as here they are considered in combination. At the same time, transmission dynamics between states will be added in. That is, transmission will be considered, but only in terms of interstate flows. This approach can later be broadened by breaking the system into smaller regions again.
It remains premature to attempt a costing of a 50% renewable scenario; however, OzEA can usefully and sensibly include the costs of the fuelled generators and transmission infrastructure. That is, we hold the costs of the renewable plant aside, while using the costs associated with the remaining infrastructure to inform scenario development. In particular, rather than shaping the demand remainder by seeking to lower its maximum value, we will use the cost of the infrastructure (and fuel) needed in addition to the renewable generators as the objective.
Wrap up
The core of the story is represented in Figure 5 to the right. The key is to note that the requirements for intermediate and peaking supply (taken as Combined and Open Cycle Gas Turbines respectively) as seen in Panel A, are not all that different from those in Panels D and E. In this 'evolution' from A to D, much of the coal base supply has been replaced by renewable supply.
Figure Five: Demand Remainder profiles summarising the development through Figures 2, 3, & 4 above. A. No renewables. A traditional demand profile, broken into base, intermediate and peak components - from Fig. 2; B. Naive 50% renewables inclusion (no storage mechanisms) - from Fig. 2; C. Inclusion of PHS model (Fig 3, Ribbon 3); D. Additional use of 6 hr CST storage (Fig 3, Ribbon 4); E. Demand Remainder Profile for refined 50% renewables model (Fig 4. lower Ribbon).
Including a high level of renewables can always be achieved if enough gas turbines (and gas) are used to fill in the gaps. What is striking here is that even at this rudimentary stage in scenario development we have the intermediate supply requirement (taken as CCGT, and according to a rough cut of the demand remainder profile) within a few percent of the current requirment. Of course this is a high-level view with many caveats.
Further improvement can be anticipated. While some gains were made above in seeking to drive the peaks of the demand remainder down through site selection, and noting the CST thermal storage as the biggest contributor so far, the obvious way to improve the current situation (Figure 5, Panels D & E) is to shape the demand remainder profile from the base side. This is precisely what has occurred to date in order to achieve the profile seen in Panel A. Finding ways to shift use towards the times when renewable electricity is plentiful will bring down the intermediate supply requirement under renewables scenarios at the 50% and other levels.
The work presented here, whereby 50% renewable supply (in terms of total energy delivered over a year) is placed within the existing system, and tuned in order to reduce the need for flexible fuelled generators, has focused on the supply dynamics, and has not included the nations straight hydro resources. Evolution of demand-side dynamics, and inclusion of hydro, can be expected to provide significant synergies in developing more detailed 50% renewable scenarios. It is within this demand-buffering domain especially that the ecological niche metaphors of The Second Story apply.
The logic of focusing on 50% renewable electricity has two major strands. First, it allows for working backwards into 40% and 30% scenarios (and even 20% by 2020), thus developing evolutionary pathways that can inform decision making now. Second, with 50% renewables and 50% fuelled supply, the intermittency issues with wind and solar can be addressed in a confined way. Specifically, we require sufficient storage and demand-side-elasticity so that in worst-case renewable supply dynamics, the fuelled supply can maintain the system. As a mental picture, a period of a week where renewable supply is limited and patchy may require the full complement of intermediate CCGT and peaking OCGT supply be run full-time, partially meeting demand at times while providing charging for storage at others. While a costly and inefficient way to meet demand on an ongoing basis, such occasional periods are balanced against those when peaking plant is hardly used.
Finally, the focus here has been mostly on the base and intermediate supply requirements. Peaking supply requirements are made especially difficult to consider at this point by their rapid evolution, which will be explored as OzEA steps first through the years 2004 and 2005, and on from there as the necessary data is sourced.
Discussion lead in
In what is presented here, longish as it may be, many issues have been brushed over. What follows is the Open Discussion where you can question and develop both what has been presented, and what has not. Especially appreciated will be comments addressing these issues:
A high-renewable-penetration electricity system needs the capacity to use electricity when the renewable supply is plentiful. Of course, the NEM system will price electricity cheaply when supply is plentiful, and thus engender this use. It will be helpful for OzEA to develop more concrete expectations of this demand elastically, both in terms of the day-to-day cycles, and the more spasmodic periods of plentiful supply that come with a high-penetration of wind and solar.
A fundamental aspect of the 50% renewables approach is the use of Gas Turbines to provide supply to meet much of the demand remainder. The efficiency of gas-powered-supply depends heavily on how rapidly and how often the turbines need to ramp-up and ramp-down. In turn, this depends on both (i) how the renewable supply varies in time, and (ii) the mechanisms that buffer supply (via storage) and demand (via demand management). It is thus important to note that the demand remainder profiles shown in Figure 5 tell only part of the story. In moving forward OzEA needs to deal explicitly and intelligently with these buffering aspects, especially in relation to the efficient use of gas resources.
Hydro. Distinct from the PHS infrastructure, Australia has some large established Hydro resources that 'fill' (i.e. charge) from run-of-river (i.e. rain). To date OzEA has not put efforts into understanding this resource, and thus not incorporated this Hydro into current analysis. The difficulty is that in periods of drought the resource can be run down. It is now becoming more pressing to understand this resource, and to determine parameters for "reliable hydro".
Finally, OzEA has used (and will continue to use) a data-driven bottom-up approach. In time a meteorological perspective can coalesces with the data processing, and bring understanding to (i) compensatory weather patterns within the catchment, and (ii) causal connections between demand and the renewable resources. With this knowledge it becomes easier to address the question of "what is the worst case" for distributed renewable supply in the Australian context.
The OzEA stories are the work of Dr Francis Clark, with some input from Prof. Barry Brook. While Barry takes care to catch and comment on the rough edges, the bottom line is that responsibility for this material sits principally with Francis.
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neil howes |
Francis,
I have been waiting to digest the body of work you have presented in the 3rd story. A terrific effort.
Not sure why you are having 6h thermal storage only available for 6h after sunset. Its my understanding that heat loss is very low so, 6h thermal storage could be used at the beginning of the next days peak.
I look forward to you future efforts in refining this work.
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francis |
Thanks Neil for your ongoing interest. I am still working to get the PHS heuristic to behave (some sort of subtle / logical bug), long after I thought it would be resolved, and will push this story out as soon as this happens. The choice to use 6 hr thermal storage with the CST plants is just a starting point; from my initial excursions, a smaller value would not be enough, and a bigger value makes it too easy. With more context we can look at a range of values, for this and other parameters of interest.
You are right that this story is the start of the work, setting out a preliminary view (a prima facie case), hopefully in a way that engenders helpful comment and questions as I regroup and take the work back into the more technical pages.
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neil howes |
Francis,
Was referring to using 6h storage but saving it for use 6,9, 12h or even 24h after sunset(ie next days morning or evening peak) rather than generating first 6h after sunset when there may not be a high demand( for example on a windy evening).
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francis |
Yes, I missed your point. When it is a good time to develop a more complex model for the CST we will separate the storage capacity from the length of time it can be held, probably by including some sort of loss rate per hour, and based as best we can on known systems / engineering advice. At this stage the simple 6hr is sufficient to make the point that the variability issues appear quite manageable, and indeed largely conceptual (in Oz context).
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francis |
A draft of this Story has been up for a week or more. As of now it is no longer a draft.
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David Vowles |
A major contribution of Story 3 is the attempt to debunk the obviously untrue myth that base load must necessarily be supplied by large fossil (or nuclear) fueled generators.
(A) Background
The following are background comments that outline the overall problem scope (Story 1). Implicit in these comments is the immense challenge to transform our electrical energy system. The challenge is fundamentally economic - is our society prepared to pay the cost of transformation to (say) 50% renewable generation?
(1) In is self-evident, in theory, that renewable sources of generation could supply 50% of our electrical energy requirements. We simply need to build enough renewable (and typically intermittent) power plants (wind, solar, etc.) and maintain enough fully controllable energy sources (e.g. fossil fuel, demand management, controllable renewable sources) to ensure that fluctuations in the output of the intermittent sources are compensated by adjustment in the output of the controllable sources to ensure that the demand supply balance is continuously maintained (including at times of peak demand). The mechanism for transporting the electrical energy from the locations where it is generated to where it is consumed (i.e. the transmission and distribution system) will need to be augmented to accommodate the change in the mix of generation sources. The cost of this long-lived transmission infrastructure is also very high.
(2) If a centrally planned system were being contemplated the problem might become a very complex economic co-optimization task of determining:
(i) the minimum amount of renewable generation capacity (both intermittent and controllable) that needs to be installed to ensure that (say) 20%, then 30%, then 40%, and then 50% of our energy is supplied from these sources;
(ii) the minimum amount of non-renewable but controllable generation capacity that needs to be retained (or built) in order to ensure that the discrepancy between the output of renewable generation sources and the system demand at any instant (including at times of peak demand) can be made up by adjusting the output from the controllable sources of supply; and
(iii) the minimum augmentation of the transmission system to ensure that the power generated across the grid at any instant can be reliably and securely transmitted to the loads.
all so as to minimize the total capital, fuel and pollution cost over some defined period (say 50 years).
(3) There are many, many complex issues that are glossed over in the above problem definition. We do not operate a centrally planned energy supply system and are probably unlikely to do so. Therefore, what market mechanisms would need to be put in place to ensure that sufficient generation capacity in each category is installed; and to ensure that sufficient transmission / distribution capacity is built where it is needed - both in an economically efficient manner. What would be the cost of energy under each of these transformation stages (i.e. 20%, 30%, 40%, 50% of electrical energy supplied from renewable sources)?
(4) How does the energy cost under the various transformation stages compare with energy costs under a business as usual scenario. If, as may be expected, the energy costs associated with transformation are much higher than with the business as usual energy costs what government policy measures are required to facilitate the transformation - in a politically palatable manner.
(5) It seems that Story 3 is aimed at addressing (in part) items 2(i) and 2(ii) above.
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(B) Specific comments and questions on Story 3
(1) As pointed out in Story 3 gas fired generating plant is typically very responsive and can therefore its output can be adjusted quite rapidly to accommodate fluctuations in the output of intermittent sources. However, so-called base load generating plant (i.e. large coal fired units) can also adjust their output (assuming that the unit is on-line) in a reasonably responsive manner. For example, coal fired plant is employed on the Danish system as a buffering supply. Some coal fired units in the Danish system are operated with outputs as low as 10% of their rated capacity and their output is adjusted to accomodate fluctuations in wind generation. It may therefore be appropriate to consider employing coal fired plant as buffering supplies in your proposed transformation stages. Indeed, using aging coal fired plant in this way may provide a graceful, useful and economically beneficial exit for such units. Utilization of large coal fired units for as long as possible during the transformation phases may defer the requirement for gas fired generation, thereby reducing capital costs associated with the transformation. (Note, it may be necessary to modify the controls of the large coal units to operate in this way; and it is conceivable that not all coal fired plant will be able to operate in such a manner.)
(2) Following from B(1) it is not clear why in Fig. 2, Panels C & D the supply from base-load plant is so low. In Panel C it would seem reasonable to assume that (so-called) base-load generating plant could supply about 7 GW over the 14 day sample period (rather than about 1 GW shown in Panel C). Possibly higher outputs may be accommodated if the ability of the large coal-fired units to vary their output is utilized.
(3) It is not clear that supply reliability has been taken into account in Story 3. To explain, it is present planning practice to require that there will be sufficient generation capacity available to meet demand at all times, and in particular at times of peak demand. Now, at those times when the demand is highest ESIPC in [1] has tentatively demonstrated that in South Australia we can only *rely* (with 95% confidence) on wind power plants to deliver between about 3% & 4% of its installed capacity. (They may well deliver significantly more than that in any particular very high demand period, but they cannot be relied on to do so.) Their analysis is based on measured outputs from wind farms. Previous analysis conducted by ESIPC in 2004 was based on simulated data and concluded that between 7% and 8% of installed wind power capacity could be relied upon to meet peak demand. In its 2008 Annual Planning Review ESPIC deemed that it would assume (based on their 2004 work) that between 7% & 8% of installed wind plant capacity would be deliverable during peak demand. That is to say, for the purpose of assessing the reliability of wind generation in South Australia, only 7% to 8% of the installed wind generation capacity is deemed to be available for the purpose of determining supply reliablity. This is about one quarter of a nominal wind plant capacity factor of 35%. Although diversity of wind generation across the nation and diversity between wind and solar sources may improve the overall availability of these intermittent sources at times of peak demand it would seem that the determination of realistic availability factors is critical to ensure that sufficient controllable plant (renewable and non-renewable) is installed to reliably meet maximum demand. Therefore, unless I have misinterpretted your paper, I would recommend that it be amended to address the issue of supply reliability.
Best regards,
David.
[1] ESIPC, "Draft Annual Planning Report", Chapter 3, Section "Contribution of Wind Power to Peak Demand", June 2008.
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David Vowles |
Following from my previous comment "Problem scope and the importance of supply reliability".
If I'm not mistaken there is a decision in Story 3 to utilize CST technology, including storage. The objective in doing so appears to be to provide controllability to the supply derived from a renewable resource. However, this controllability comes at the cost of the additional storage infrastructure. Will you compare (i) the cost of converting intermittent renewable sources to (semi) controlled renewable sources (e.g. CST); with (ii) the cost of using a higher proportion of non-renewable generation capacity (i.e. power not energy) to provide the necessary overall supply controllability. Could it be cheaper to build more solar plant with no (or less) storage capacity and utilize non-renewable fuels as the storage mechanism? This could particularly be so during the transition phase when there may be fossil fuelled plant being set on a longish retirement trajectory? Your end objective of reliably and securely supplying 50% of our electrical energy requirements from renewable sources could of course still be met, although installed capacity in the various generation classes would need to change.
[Recall that current practice with domestic solar installations is to not install battery storage - even though the technolgy to do so exists - presumably, it is deemed too expensive to provide storage in this context. It could well be the case that storage in larger scale solar installations will be considered too expensive - at least initially.]
Best regards,
David.
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francis |
David, thank you for your comments. I have some in response:
The peaking issues are a matter we have in sight, but not yet much to say (except that management of these is needed, whatever the supply makeup). The analysis embedded within this story takes an empirical view of the data, and to that extent it incorporates the peak demand events of 2003. I appreciate that planning for future system reliability is more complex than this. What is presented in the 'head post' will not be substantively amended (it is a snap-shot of where OzEA was up to circa May 2011). Of course, this Open Discussion may incorporate new material.
In relation to thermal storage with CST (your #7), you are correct that I included it to handle the early evening demand peak. And yes, there does eventually need to be a direct monetary comparison between the cost of the storage, and the cost of otherwise providing supply for the early evening peaks. Presumably, if this can be framed cleanly, there will be an optimal configuration for the thermal storage, which might be none at all. It is anticipated that PV may contribute significantly to supply sooner than CST, thus providing similar supply dynamics to no storage CST. My guess is that this will make storage within CST all the more valuable once these technologies have matured and arrive on the market (maybe ~2020?). Anyway, I will soon do some modest analysis of how different levels of thermal storage within the CST play out (I can describe what is proposed in a little detail if anyone wants to discuss in advance).
Back to your #6: yes, the third story was aimed squarely at the 'myth' that "renewables can't do baseload". And yes again to:
The challenge is fundamentally economic - is our society prepared to pay the cost of transformation to (say) 50% renewable generation?In order for society (mediated through politicians, 'experts', and the market) to actually decide what we want, there needs to be a clear view of what is on offer. OzEA is working to contribute clarity on the renewables front.
I broadly agree with your outline of the background, point 5 especially. Transmission remains a big unknown (but an issue we move onto next), and, as for the comments on CST thermal storage, there may be 'high' and 'low' transmission models to consider and compare.
In relation to
(B) Specific comments and questions on Story 3:
1. Yes. I expected others would point this out soon enough (that coal plant can be run at a fraction of nameplate), and indeed coal plant in a state of 'semi-retirement' may be an important part of supply for many years. Inspection of either of the ribbons in Figure 5 (or either of the lower ribbons in Fig. 4) shows that the ability to slowly vary the fuelled 'base' would greatly increase the portion of supply that it can cover, and especially act to keep down peaking requirements under high-penetration renewables scenarios. The low-frequency aspect of the demand remainder in these plots is striking. In terms of the controls needed with the coal plant, and the rates at which they could efficiently ramp up and down, OzEA is ignorant and will appreciate what exposition you and others can provide.
2. This issue with Fig 2. C. has arisen with others also. You need to look at the plots for the full year (as linked in the figure legend) OR become familiar with looking at the demand-remainder-profile view (i.e. Fig 2. D.). Maybe I will redo this figure with a different selection of the time base. Again, a varying supply from coal is relevant here.
3. You say
It is not clear that supply reliability has been taken into account in Story 3, and you are right (but see my opening remark above). Your comments here are welcomed, and I commend others to take note of them. OzEA is some way from engaging the sort of supply reliability calculations you are describing. Once we have a number of years examined, an have looked more at the sorts of questions you otherwise raise (CST storage, transmission, variable coal) and others that you do not (especially demand peak flattening via demand management / smart meters / ToU pricing) I will be in a better position to engage the question of what "firm supply" renewables can offer at peak load times. Note that the question of the "worst case" for renewable supply is posed, and posed again.
Please say if I have missed any major points.
cheers,
-fc
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Ben McMillan |
Francis,
Nice work on the third story.
David,
You might be interested in the work I did on transmission (for the wind generators), which is in
http://www.oz-energy-analysis.org/docs/BMcM_Jan2011_transmission_analysis_tearoom_draft.pdf
I would appreciate any comments.
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francis |
If trying to attack the idea of renewable base supply as presented here, I would focus on three things. First, there is an obvious lack of analysis of the necessary transmission flows; second, there appears to be some dodgy accounting with the PHS used to tidy up the demand remainder after renewables, but not used to push down the raw demand curve reference; and, third, while it makes a striking image to slice up a demand remainder profile into base, intermediate and peaking parts, what really happens when one properly examines the demands that would be placed on the various CC and OC Gas Turbines?
Against any of these criticisms, I can make counter arguments of various sorts, while acknowledging that more detailed work is needed. This more detailed work will be developed on other more technical pages (e.g. here). For those familiar with the Tea Room, there is currently discussion there on what comes next.
You are encouraged to ask questions, and to make critical comments (including against the points raised above); this story is getting hits, and I'm quite sure that many readers (like students in a lecture) are catching superficial points while missing nuances, and even major points. Please don't be shy is making a little noise to clarify, question, criticise or comment.
I say the variability argument against the adoption of renewables is looking very weak: it seems the real issue is the trade off between costs and timelines.
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Mark Diesendorf |
Dear Francis,
My email to your University of Adelaide email address bounced, so I'm trying to contact you this way. You may publish this email if you think it appropriate.
Congratulations on your simulations, which merit publication in a peer-reviewed journal as well as on your website.
The first in a series of peer-reviewed papers on our UNSW group's hourly simulations of 100% renewable electricity in the NEM may be accessed here. Our lead author, PhD candidate Ben Elliston, presented it at last week's AuSES Solar 2011 conference, so it is now a public document. We have avoided almost all of the heroic assumptions made in the ZCA report and still manage to achieve the NEM reliability standard with 100% renewable electricity. We are doing extensive sensitivity analyses. One of our future papers will address the economics.
With best regards,
Mark Diesendorf
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Francis |
Thanks Mark - I look forward to sitting down and reading this carefully. I noted on first parse that, like the work here, your group is yet to incorporate the transmission. I think this would be really valuable, and still hope that I might get back to this work to pursue that aspect. Look out for a new tea-room around xmas.
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Philip Wong |
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Philip -- What you say is not responsive to, nor even acknowledges, the above. I will have a look at the link you provided. -- fc
latter: spoke with Philip, and I think he is going to post to another page
-- and here it is.
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francis |
The Third Story, above, includes several references to work that was expected to be progressed in the second half of 2011. Instead, OzEA as an Adelaide University Project fell over, and I supported myself with other (non-science) work. Now, I have a new position in the Centre for Renewable Energy at Charles Darwin University (CDU). The focus here is more ground-level NT issues, which I am enjoying. There is also some time for progressing this work.
There are three major considerations that I see in progressing the work above into a valuable peer-review journal article.
First, solar PV was being held in the margins by OzEA. It is clear now that PV plays a significant part in the to-2020 renewable rollout. This is especially true in the commercial sector where users are paying retail prices for electricity and have load profiles that allow immediate use of any PV generated electricity. For example, businesses with significant air-conditioning or refrigeration loads.
Second, the solar (irradiance) data used above was very limited. Work is now underway to make use of the BoM gridded 'irradiance data' product. This will allow siting of solar plant (PV or thermal) just about anywhere (~5 km grid over entire country).
Third, demand side participation (DSP) is coming, albeit slowly. At the point we have 50% renewable electricity (maybe around 2040), there will also be significant DSP in play (obtuse to suppose otherwise). It will be good to get a basic DSP model worked out.
Of course the issue of addressing transmission, if only in a course grained way, remains.
fc - May 2011
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